Category: Geeks r Us
I am wondering, after listening to the fs cast, what is the hidden surprise feature that they will not specify? If anyone know anything about it, it better be good if they are keeping it a secret.
maybe it will work for once. lol
Hm. I haven't listened to the FS cast. However, the official list of "what's new"ffeatures is already up on the fs website, or it was this morning at least.
i hope the new v 10 works on my pc, the first few versions of v 9 did not as they bust certain bits of jaws which meant it was almost unusable. i've got system access just in case jaws goes down the toilet again.
you mean when it does.
maybe the supprise feature is that jaws will finally be able to read "capchas?" lol.. jk. well hey., a girl can wish, right? ehehehe *smiles*
maybe when it goes down yes yanky. i hope i can install jaws fine and all goes well as happened with jaws seven.
I think the surprise feature that I have heard going around is that jaws will be able to work with boxes running 64 bit windows be it xp or shitsta. It is good to know they aren't including all the realspeak voices in the actual download I wonder how big the exe for 10 will be I say at least 80 megs. That is pathetic that an exe is that huge. A screen reader should only be about 10. Look at nvda.
system access is fifty odd, and i think windows eyes is somewhere around jaws. eighty megs is enormrmrmrmouts yes.
I was just looking at window-eyes under add/remove, and it says 24 something mb. Is this correct? Version 5.5.
wel i rather stick with jaws 7,and window eyes 5.5 since they are both w working fine,and the new version probably has the same shit as the others before.
yes tracey w-e is about that size
Hmmm, IDK what it is.
80 MB for a screen reader, that's just just... uh.... ... ... pathetic! Hoepfully it won't be that big.
jaws 10. I remember that we used to goi by build numbers and go to a full newer version when things were much more "stable" (if that's what you wanna call how jaws has been those years). I mean, I heard of jaws 3. Following this there was 3.1, 3.2, 3.5 (hmm, no sure if ever 3.3 or 3.4 got there), 3.7 (where's 3.6?), and 4.0 (where are the other two?) . There was then 4.2, 4.5 and 5.0 and then I guess 6 came around. Its pretty, annoying not to have a consistent build in versions and an inconsistent working on sources and everything else. It is also pathetic that because of marketing and most often political interests we the "customers" are being so well brain-washed to the point this becomes "buy more, get less". We are now sacrifizing quality for quantity and if you keep up with your technology companies, microsofts seemsto have gotten already almost 200 tousand developers working on the next release of windows. Why? 'cause we want to sell. Perhaps the surprise feature is that they'll integrated NVDA source code into the program so that it finally begins working better with firefox (for which the NVDA group can sue anyway), and they'll take over window eyes and hal so that we all have the only option of getting one screen reader that's paid and another that is free. See this? just too, like comcast, freedom scientific is failing to disclose a lot of their practices: Comcast now blocks and tries to restrict accounts with hig bandwith usage and they'll do everything to survive on the already lost copyright and drm (damn retarded miserables) teams and the like. Something has really gone wrong with competition here. Obviously users are being affected because of those marketing and political interests. If I were a comcast customer and I received a letter from my ISP, I'd fax it back with an invoice counting trafic delays because of those letters and the electricity ussed up when I used the scanner and computer to read something so ridiculous. Obviously,, none of the users knew this. But then again, contracts are horrible and so are disclaimers. In oder to prevent lawsuits and remorsement from a person's own conscience, we can always write the fancy legal statements that entitle us to "change notices, usage of information, practices, terms of service, ETC" without notice (I.E. Whenever we feel like it). So basically companies and vendors can do whatever they want with you (behind your back) and legally get away with it. Isn't this fascinating? On top of that, it is unclear wether people will remain liable for whatever happens. For example, most of the disclaimers dictate that we should not be complaining to the company if there's something that goes wrong with a product, yet customer support is available 24/7, via e-mail, and on the phone. Worse, we have updates being pushed through every so often and all of this again, for comercial and political interests. I guess small companies can be good so long as they are independent and private as opposed to huge vendors that have been in the industry for this long. Obviously, the industry now a days shows that no experience is necessary to do anything, because not even musicians from this time impress me. Anyway, I know this really got off topic, but the idea was you to get to see my point--we are being affected by marketing and political interests more than ever RIGHT NOW. at least, this is a "public beta", I hear, but more than often "we, the people" cannot get hour voices heard without being ignored.
Will JAWS finally be able to describe pictures, rather than just saying graphic? Gees, that's getting annoying.
Two things. 1. Juan, their is a jaws 3. its jaws 3.31. Cody has it. 2. Jaws can describe pictures. go to gmagames's website, if u don't believe me. Its not jaws, its the coders of the site, not labeling their graphics that's the problem here. O, and juan, yes, that was fascinating.
Jaws will announce what is in the picutre they are called alt tags and they are what coders put in, however she was being sarcastic by saying will jaws ever just look at the picture and simply say this is a picture of blah, and not just rely on alt tags. Yes, juan that was nice, however I see your point.
Forgot to mention that even if jaws 10 comes out I probably won't stick with it unless my school is smart enough and gets me an sma and I use a dongle. Otherwise I will stick with 7. I think every one will agree that version 7 jusdt works and is the most stable version out there. The later versions have gotten more bloated, unless feature filled. I don't see the usefulness of 9 or even 8, I have had nothing but issues.
I think Jaws shells out wayy too many versions these days and most of them rubbish, sadly. It is beginning to feel like a college text book, where they change around 2 chapters, change 20 problems, change the edition number, reprint and say older editions of this book are absolutely unusable so you cannot sell or trade your old book but you have to buy a new one.
You hardly ever see traditional and consistent build numbers with any software, it all depends on internal rules, number of bugs, number of builds deemed necessary for a production version of the product etc. I mean FooBar, my favorite music player, has been around for 4 or 5 years and is not yet at version 1.0.
and, yea, interesting rant there, if you havesay musicians today do not impress you're not listening to very much music rom today, there's a lot of very impressive and talented musicians out there, of course they may not played on the local Kiss 95.7 but neither, I think, were talented musicians in the 60s. The whole "everything sucks nowadays" rant, per se, does not impress me much.
If your cable provider blocks downloading of illegal material, well, you can switch to a different provider, this is what DRM holders in America want, I only half see their point of view. For one thing I wish they'd make music downloads availible in an accessible and easy to use format. Sadly all the illegal torrent based sites I've visited are about a million times simpler and easier to navigate than ITunes, faster too, so I still wait patiently for a legal alternative to bit torrent sites.
But we're off topic again, I've been using Jaws 8.0 and it's surprisingly stable with XP SP2 and the only reason I'd update to 9 or 10 is Office 2007, and I'll do so reluctantly.
cheers
-B
I wouldn't do it at all, bea. I totally agree with you. I'd play with 10 only as a toy, but nothing more. To me nowadays, it is nothing more than a novelty since everything passed 8 doesn't really improve anything. And, anything that it does include can be done by then end user, hence the GMail thing.
I'm gonna play with it, and most likely get it, since I like to try things out, it seems like a lot of u, just say, o well, its bloated, too many things, so screw it, i'm not even gonna look at it.
Agree with ya there, Mike.. I think I'll get it as well.
It's not that we don't look at it, it's just that it's obvious that Jaws is getting crappier with every upgrade. I really don't know why people bother anymore, unless, as B said, they just want to play with it and see what it's like. But to stick with it is another story. I couldn't stick with Jaws 9 because it was too unstable, loaded too slow, and just in general didn't work as well as Jaws 8. I personally don't have any issues with 8, so I think I'll stick with that one. 7 was good, don't get me wrong, but I'm not going to downgrade if 8 is working fine for me.
I'm in the "it's bloated, I'm not even gonna look at it" school, and proud! If the rest of you are serious, you'd jump the sinking ship; lol.
I jumped it at like 5 or so cause of the lack of Greek support. Switched to Hal and NVDA. But sadly, there are still a few things that only JFW can do, though some of them can be done with System Access to Go. I donno. I wish I'd played around with Windoweyes more, since I loved Vocaleyes. But in any case, I've got a Mac and VoiceOver now, and it does most things nicely. As for a screenreader being 80 megs, yeah. Waaaay too much!
I have the SMA already so I'm not going to lose anything by getting the upgrade. I'm in fact playing with it right now and ... well, considering what the SMA's cost and this being an SMA upgrade, along with a full jump from version 9.0 to 10.0, I'm rather underwhelmed.
The auto forms mode thing is fine I suppose, but since it's being touted as one of the main features in the upgrade, I can't say I'm overly excited. Yes, the real speak voices sound much better than the default ones, but there are hitches in the speach when you want them to speak faster. So much so, that it gets somewhat annoying if you want to use them for a longer period of time. I still wish they'd enable more than 1000 entries in the dictionary manager too.
I kind of long for the time where I could use jfw 7.0, but that's not really an option with the programs I have to use now. Who knows, maybe more features will come ut the closer we get to the official release.
naturally, I'm using the beta version as I type this and whenever I backspace, I hear nothing but blank, blank, blank. Good thing I added the beta test tech support form to my favorites.
Cristobal
clarifying a few things: Firstly, when speaking of "today's musicians" I was of course referringto the mainstream majority. Secondly, the point of the "rant" was not to say that everything sucked, it was a mere piece of thought which attempted to get a point across. Its purpose was clearly not to impress you or leave you with your eyebrwos up to the ceiling and your eyelids blinking for two minutes. The fact that a cable company will not give out its networkin practices (not even on contracts) has done a good movie and presentation of how much freedom of information there is now. Switching to a different cable provider would not be easy as with all other corporations there is a charge that is about 8 times the amount you'd pay monthly. I was referring to comcast specifically because of the news that were circulating a few days ago in addition to one of my friends reporting a legal warning sent out to him. For now, i guess you could get yourself into the fishing net of downloaders and try to find something in your place which uses p4p, a 'revolutionary" way that shares files through the use of torrent files and boosting peers speeds on ISPS for your metropolitan area, though much of the people who are on charge of the anti-piraccy lobby are behind this, and I guess you'd be arrested for downloading a torrent. This is getting to the point of "what you don't know will hurt you in the long run, too". Again, you being the reader have the right to make your opinions and throw constructive cryticism on the points. For now the jaws feature list that has been posted doesn't really convince me.
Hmmm. I love torrents but need to find a good site for them. Most of what I download is music and it's so specialised that 99% of the sites don't have it. Sometimes, I like programs too, but that's a rarety. Thanks for the warning btw. I'll have to tell my friends. I have Verizon, so hope they don't start that kind of thing.
it doesn't convince me either but i am using it right now and am experiencing issues right off the bat. when I start jaws and set up my speech settings and then restart jaws it will not save my settings and i must re configure them. I'm liking the autoforms mode thing however. i am going to try the jaws 9 patch with this and see if it actually does work. it may, it may not. I will report back to see if it does.
I find the way the Realspeak voices handle certain words and text strings annoying and funny at the same time. As an example, if someone has a degree such as an MS, the Realspeak voices say Mississippi." Further, my middle initial is M. It regularly refers to me as "Lou the 1000th."
Lou
hahahahaha now that's funny. I say give it time, yesterday was the first day of the beta, so their r bound to be bugs in it. This is y they have the feedback page.
I've uninstalled the beta after about 20 minutes of play and do not like it. Isn't fs supposed to fix and add new stuff instead of breaking it? The jaws 9 files did not work. It is embarrassing so far. We're talking about professional programmers and they can't even keep a feature to save settings or is this some new authorization thing to piss people off so they'll have to pay in order to keep their settings.
have been playing with the beata now for a bit. i notice they haven't included fixes to the crashing words in default.jdf. i copied my v nine one over. hmm. hope it works. the auto forms mode feature is good though.
cody, you have to give it time, and yes, it is a beta. think accordingly. this, is, not, an, official, release.
i like it somewhat, but it does need a little work, the backspace thing being one of them.
yes, proffessional programmers... remember though that we're sacrifizing quality for quantity here, and I could have said the same thing if i were trying the latest official release: "give it time". We have been hoping for quite a bit... its not like they would release another stable version any sooner anyway, right? I think jaws 7 8 and 9, with whatever was put in could have been done all in the same year. The auto forms mode could ahve been a script or even part of a function or whatever.
I think I'm going to play with JAWS 10. I'll keep 9 installed because my SMA ran out so I don't know if the beta will work in full mode. The reason why I even stay on top of JAWS releases is because I'm a scripter. It's important to script for the latest versions, so the scripters should have the latest versions.
For you guys guessing at the size of the JAWS 10 download, you were only 8.8 MB off. The download is 71.2 MB in size.
i must say, until someone mensioned the backspace, that indeed is busted and i will report this to the beta team, for that's what report forms are there for. smile
actually, after speaking of the backspace in IE seven, where I can't get back to webpages i've just viewed, it just worked, so hmm.
Yes. Thank u codiac. That is what the forms r their for, so, y not use them, instead of just saying o o well, something here doesn't work, so I'm just gonna give up on it. I know that the saving of settings should have been something they should've fixed before releasing the beta, but i'm sure they've goten plenty of reports on it by now. I will try it out, and I'll let u all know what I think.
saving of settings? you mean what voice you last used etc? well I found that when I use sappi five, and exit the beta, the sappi five comes right back when i reload the beta again. is this what you mean by saving settings?
If the people who are getting excited about forms mode were to use hal / supernova instead, they would have had that feaure for over a year.
Not to mention SA To Go. That service has had the elimination of Forms Mode entirely. I'm now running JAWS 10.0.334U, and I have seen a problem. When I attempt to press any number to jump to a heading of that number's level, the navigation should wrap, but it doesn't (Configuration Manager>Set Options>HTML Options>Misc>Wrap Navigation). I already reported this to the beta team.
Sa to go and SA itself are great products. i have Sa just in case jaws goes down. indeed, SA helped me out when FS broke the FS dom server in certain configs on certain machines in the early days of v9. fortunately they haven't broken it in v10, yet. i hope they leave it alone.
Hmmmm.....
Saved my settings just fine, using V 10 right now. Although, I did merge my Setings over from JAWS 9 since i didn't reconfiguring the crap out of JAWS again...
Yes, among the few features that super nova does have that is nice, is the jaws equivalent of auto forms mode. Hey, maybe the manufacturers of this should sue FS now like they sued GWMicro? What goes around comes around. And I actually find that auto forms mode really isn't anything special. So what, I don't have to press enter to go in to forms mode. Certainly not worth all the extra money for an upgrade if that's the headline feature. As for super nova itself, that's an animal I've chosen to leave alone. The keyboard commands don't seem very intuitive, but I see why some people like it. Especially those with low vision who want both magnification and speech support at the same time.
That's true, but they can do that with zoomtext as well.
As my post has been deleted by singer of songs number 44, which I still dont' know how I was asking for cracked software, I was clearly asking for THE INFORMATION OF THE GUY WHO CRACKS JAWS. I know his name but for the sake of privacy, I won't post it here. I am clearly not asking for "cracked software or jaws itself" I'm fully capable of obtaining it myself. I clearly asked for the guy's contact info, but apparently asking for someones contact info is against the tos.
Go fucking figure. sighsssssssss
unless asking for such information would break the TOS (which I don't see how it reallly would) posting such information and making it available publikly (through the use of the boards or by posting URLS to the relevant content) may indeed be a breach of the terms. If anyone would give that contact information that should obviously be kept outside the post as for one, it is not in conjunction with the topic; secondly, such contact information may be personal and that person wouldn't be too happy about it being posted. The main worries here come though to the lack of interpretation of these rules (or lack thereof). and perhaps naming specifically which one's being breached and giving a reason on how the action which was performed might have well breached the established rule. Of course the public does not have access to how these terms are handled and pretty much everything remains at the "sole discretion" of some kind of "higher authority."
hmmmm lets look at the tos here for a moment
6.
The following types of material are not allowed on the website or any associated services. Community Leaders or Site Administrators will determine if material falls into one of these categories.
•Material advocating illegal acts, including: child pornography, software piracy, manufacture and use of controled substances, etc.
Material? I, nor has anyone else, posted material to software piracy. I simply asked for a private message with the person's contact info, how will that cause others to pirate software? Unless the contact information is posted publically here on the forum, this is not possible.
Clearly some cl's don't know what they are talking about, or they are avasive in the tos and want to catch people in traps by not stating things that they think should be implied in the tos. For example
Just stating software piracy is quite vegue, but it clearly says material relating to software piracy. Material meaning direct links, website or any written instructions explaining how to crack software. However, in my case and most anyone else's case, if you simply type the word crack, you are a thief and you should die by the hands of SOS or any other cl because they think they are the shit.
Oh, and don't even get me started on the harassment bit number 4. There are countless topics in which other users have posted private information for others, namely the my telespace topic. Yet nothing was done about it because Singer of songs simply states, "well, no one reported the topic" not a good cl at all.
So, bottom line onee again, i want no shit from any one.
All I am going to say here, is that I agree with cody's and juan's last post. I would like to know how exactly he broke the terms. He posted that exact piece from it, and as I remember, he didn't break them. He wasn't asking for the person's contact information to be posted on this board. But, maybe I'm wrong, maybe he did break them. I don't know, I'm not a CL, i'm just going on what the T.O.S. say, and by what they say, he didn't do anything wrong.
Did anyone else experienced the following problem with the latest jaws beta?
I changed the synthesizer language in the global settings from American English to British. Most of the time jaws speaks in british English but sometimes it speaks american when i am typing or when i press enter or alt+tab etc. It doesn't do it always but it is strange.
And it seams to do it more when jaws runs from the system tray. Unless if i have to change the voice for the keyboard somewhere else.
Unless you make that change globally it will not stay so make sure you make that change to the default file.
Now per this piracy issue.
An email i received from SOS:
Actually that post was deleted, when it was brought to our attention. Frankly I haven't read all the board topics, and I doubt anyone has. And you did ask
for information on cracks clearly. I'm not even going to argue with you about that one. You did, and it's done. If you want the tos redone suggest something
to the admins in some manner that you like..
Again, I will ask who reported that post? And, What did I ask that said "give me cracks? Again, he clearly states that he as a cl doesn't even read all board posts, therefore, how can he do his job successfully as a cl and maintain the boards. Therefore, if we didn't have these do gooders on the zone, the cl's probably wouldn't have much to do, unless they actually wanted to read a post and just happen to come across a post they didn't like.
unbelievable
I'm using the beta now, and... hmm. As happened with jaws 9, the main feature and quite a few others have been done with scripts, in fact, one of them's been on the jaws-users.com site for quite a wile now. So, fs is making us pay for stuff the community's done? Something sounds messed up there... I'm also having that problem with jaws not rading bacspaced chars in firefox3, gur'rhrhrhrhrhhrhrhrhrhrhrblpblpblpblpblpblpblpblpblpblpblpblpblp! Oh, did I mention autoforms mode could be done entirely with scripts???
Apparently it can.
I heard on the freedom scientific website that the big feature of jaws 10 is that you will be able to type in forms mode as soon as you com across it with your arrow keys. If you don't want to use auto forms mode, you can just turn it off by going to the verbosity menu/dialogue thing with insert v.
That's what auto forms mode does.
And now we all know what the surprise feature in JAWS 10 is: it's JAWS Tandem, reviewed in the September 2008 edition of FSCast. I just listened to it and thought it was a very interesting feature.
i'll have to listen to that, i'm kind of intrested in it
JAWS 9 8, and 10 now can work with iTunes 8.
That might also be it, but manybe not.
Me too, that definitly sunds cool. and jaws 8 9 and 10 now working with itunes 8 is cool too.
I have jaws 8, got it last year, and just downloaded Itunes 8, and it works pretty well with it, or is there an update to 8 that I missed?
Copy this address, and take a look at it
http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_support/BulletinView.asp?QC=1302
All info is there.
HTH
the jaws tandom feature sounds like one which is in SA mobile network. if you have another SA user, you can control their pc's and they can control yours etc, with permissions of course, it's remote assistance. all fs have done is implement something like that for jaws. question, will GW micro implement that too? well, time to wait for the full release of jaws ten now.
Wouldn't doubt it if GW did.
well of course i guess they realized the remote assistance from microsoft was a bit more insecure and inaccessible. Anyway, I think though that this feature lets you run the third party's copy from that persons's on your machine, though I might feel that htis is the wrong impression. I hope that some things get improved indeed so that this can go towards a more stable feature. Its interesting too if you take a look at the sizes between the jaws versions.
jaws is huge yes.
Oh gosh! Yeah i know Itunes is going to get even better about acessibility within the next year. Also i have been able to use itunes ok and I have jaws 7! I just have to route the jaws to pc and I can do pretty much everything that I have any interest in doing anyway!
Finally, some one who does that! See? its not that hard to do.
NO, it's not.
JAWS uses stuff from Real VNC and OpenSSL to do the Tandem feature. That is acording to the About JAWS For Windows screen in the latest JAWS 10 Beta.
If I don't have the terms of the GNU General Public License mistaken, isn't FS required to make the source code for the portions of OpenSSL that they used freely available and state where it can be obtained?
I believe they are, but you know they aren't gana do that...
If they don't, the OpenSSL project could sue them on breach of license terms by not making the portions of OpenSSL that were used freely available. HumanWare uses the XBase library in the BrailleNote's planner system, and they make the source freely available under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License. FS is so strict with their own license agreement that since they're not following another one, it leads me to wonder how much force their own EULA actually possesses.
the part of the ula for fs i've always wondered about is the prohibition of using two copies of jaws at once. hell the amount of times i've been working on my desktop and updating a laptop with jaws on both. what a pile of shite that bit of the ula is.
maybe the surprise feature is that they have supplied fixes for the elequence crash words by default? i sent the UK distributer of jaws my modified .jdf file so they could send it to fs for reference, in the hope fs would include the crash words and a fix for them in the new .jdf file for default installs of ten.